> >Or we will have to harness the solar power that lands on our roofs for > >free! When you consider the amount of insolation available on the > >average roof, it seems quite ridiculous to ship gas (sometimes > >literally) across the world to heat water for a shower. The landing may be free but the utilisation usually isn't. Unsubsidised crystalline silicon photovoltaic energy is about twice grid parity cost now with a substantial degree of spread in the break even point due to insolation levels and local power prices. Some alternative systems are suggesting substantially lower pries now (eg Cadmium Telluride) but long term viability is in doubt. Small scale solar thermal is often marginal. When i have costed domestic systems over the years the pay back periods or IRR are usually long and low to the extent that maintenance uncertainties make them very doubtful. Grid supply scale solar thermal - with a seconday conversion to electricity, is marginally viable at present with new stations being bult in especially well suited areas (eg new plant at Guila bend in Arizona (memorable town to me for the most uncomfortable "sleep" I ever had)). Russell -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist