The Omega I had was definitely understeered (when the boot was empty) but as it was RWD it was really hard to keep on the road during winter time. Not sure how much better would have it been if it had a traction control? Anyway, this evening it was raining so I has the chance to make some test in the ABS on my Nissan Primera. I have the feeling that i have two different things. Actually when the wheel blocks and ABS kicks off there is a different sound than what previously I thought was the ABS. And the car stops at a fairly small distance on the wet surface -- so maybe I have to backup a bit :-) But what is that other thing I have no idea. Usually that kicks off when there is an uneven surface, like the wheel hits a stone on the road or crossing a railway or something like that. When it happens I hear some strange noise plus it is like a large mobile phone vibrating underneath the pedal. It lasts for about 2 seconds and in the meantime I have very little break power. The ABS felt differently and the noise I hear with the ABS disappears immediately when I release the pedal -- but then this other kind of thing kicks off, or at least that's what happened this evening. It is getting annoying. Maybe I should visit the garage with this problem? Thanks Tamas On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Jonathan Hallameyer wro= te: > You can take corners too fast and have the rear go out, Ive had it happen > before in fwd cars. =A0Ive had my rear end feeling squirlly going around = an > off ramp, and I bet if I would have let off the throttle I would have had= a > snap oversteer. =A0RWD just makes it easier if youre trying to power thou= gh a > corner. =A0 Just like you could make a RWD car understeer in the proper > conditions too. =A0RWD cars favor oversteer, FWD cars favor understeer, b= ut it > doesnt mean the opposite is possible. > > On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Sean Breheny wrote: > >> OK, but I don't understand how that is a simulation of a real-world >> driving situation. When would road conditions cause only your rear >> wheels to slip in a front-wheel drive car? >> >> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 7:21 AM, M.L. wrote: >> > On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 8:22 PM, Sean Breheny wrote: >> >> Herbert, >> >> >> >> I drive a Honda Accord and I have several times tried to practice just >> >> this. It does not have ABS (it is a 2001 model). I have never >> >> succeeded in getting it to do anything but snowplow straight forward. >> >> I can drive forward at 30MPH and suddenly turn hard and it just keeps >> >> going straight. I believe it is the same case for hard braking. It >> >> just seems that the design is just so stable. >> >> >> >> Sean >> > >> > >> > You have to turn the wheel and pull the emergency brake for a short ti= me. >> > Let the e-brake go and try to regain control. I wouldn't recommend >> > this unless you're sure there aren't any surprises under the snow. >> > -- >> > Martin K. >> > -- >> > http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive >> > View/change your membership options at >> > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist >> > >> -- >> http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive >> View/change your membership options at >> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist >> > > > > -- > Jonathan Hallameyer > -- > http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive > View/change your membership options at > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist > -- = /* www.mcuhobby.com */ int main() { char *a,*s,*q; printf(s=3D"/* www.mcuhobby.com */ int main() { char *a,*s,*q; printf(s=3D%s%s%s, q=3D%s%s%s%s,s,q,q,a=3D%s%s%s%s,q,q,q,a,a,q); }", q=3D"\"",s,q,q,a=3D"\\",q,q,q,a,a,q); } -- = http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist