>>> Actually my last two cars has ABS on it, previously I had only cars >>> without ABS. I have very bad experiences with ABS on both cars, >>> sometimes it feels like driving on ice although it is summer time and >>> the road surface is dry. It happens mostly when the surface is not >>> even, so the car gets some vibrations while braking. Then I have >>> little or no control over the car, just hoping that it will stop -- Tamas, in the episode of Crash Investigation Unit I saw the other night, the CIU team said that ABS would have prevented the start of the crash sequence, although subsequent to that the car was skidding sideways on grass and heading straight to the scene of the accident no matter what. A driver in the middle lane caused the driver in the outside lane to swerve and put two wheels on the grass verge. He instinctively braked heavily and tried to correct, causing the back end to come around because not all wheels had the same traction on the mix of grass, asphalt and gravel. Eventually the car was completely on the grass and out of control. It hit the end of an Armco barrier, which went in through the rear right passenger door and out the left front passenger door, with predictable consequences http://tvnz.co.nz/crash-investigation-unit/s2-e1-video-3164095 -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist