I put before the LED guru's eyes the following to ruminate and disseminate upon. http://www.epistar.com.tw/ Epistar say they have produced a 110lm/W for 1W and 3W warm white LED's. According to them the 1W offering has a CRI (hmm some sort of index I suspect) of 90 @ 15v the CCT (I know that one) is 3000K The LED's are made up of a cluster of blue and red chips with a yellow/green phosphor. The LED clusters can be fiddled with to allow direct AC drive sourcing (not at mains voltage, just thought I'd make that clear). Colin -- cdb, 3/07/2009 -- colin@btech-online.co.uk -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist