>> I suppose Montgolfier, et al, doesn't count...

> No. Not to discount the achievements of the Montgolfiers, but they do not count in this discussion.

I guess that settles that.

If there's a Gaul in my woodpile it's news to me, but I suspect manned
flight was yet another catalyst for the spawn of 18th Century rationalism -
Science, and Engineering...

Jack
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