> Is there a nation which does'nt lay claim to first flight? =A0:) > My knowledge runs no deeper than Wikipedia, but NZ seems to > have as good a claim as many. > I suppose Montgolfier, et al, doesn't count... The key terms (or weasel words, depending on whether you want to like its face) are "heavier than air powered flight." Those who prefer some other face may add words like "sustained" or "controlled" depending which pretender they preferred. By that measure NZ was probably first. Arguably the Wright's first 12 second flight was hardly "sustained" although it was more or less "controlled" as evidenced or at least adumbrated by later longer flights. Richard Pearce's first and only heavier than air powered flight, which occurred the year before the Wright Brothers' first 'flight', was of unknown duration - apparently enough to cross a dryish river bed - and probably not overly controlled. The remains were left embedded in the river bank where the craft "landed" - to be dug out some decades later and ultimately they ended up in their present location at MOTAT (Museum of Transport and Technology" in Western Springs, Auckland, NZ, a mere WAC Corporal flight from here. (They have one of those too, but in not too much better repair, despite never having been used). "Of Course" [tm] Wright aficionados will not have a bar of any suggestion that W&O were second. I am not ware of any other claim that comes more credibly close to having been earlier, using the weasel words / definition above. I have heard other claims which sound to me (of course) less credible. Pearce, like the Wrights, 'built all his own stuff', but whereas they had the ability to pay for other's services (whether they did I know not) Pearce was a loner and built everything himself including, of course, the engine. He had a motorised bicycle when such things were solidly in the realms of fiction. He was as close mechanically to a modern Leonardo da Vinci as one could hope for except he did not, apparently, unlike LdV, have ADHD, so actually implemented his ideas instead of only drawing and modelling them and writing about them, and severely annoying the pope of the day as a a consequence. I am not aware of Pearce painting or sculpting, except in steel with a welding torch. Pearce built a later heavier than air craft with variable pitch prop, swing wing and intended VTOL / STOL capability. Alas, it was too-much-heavier-than-air for the engine power his hand made engine could produce and it never flew. This no doubt saved it from destruction, and the actual craft is in MOTAT, alongside the remains of its world beating older brother. Russell -- = http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist