Jake Anderson wrote: > The torches use ultra caps I think (the LED ones) and the toys use > lithium ion polymer cells way beyond what they are speced at ;-> Time to reveal the embarrassing details. I got a hold of a small RC car. It gets charged from the remote (4 AAs), which has a barrel type plug on the side. You plug it in, wait a few minutes, the red LED on the remote goes off, the car is charged. Skipping the obscure reasons why anyone would do this, I decided to charge the car from a 5.6V Nokia charger. Unfortunately I got distracted, and left it plugged in far longer than intended. I was reminded of the fact by the smell of melting vynil and plastic. The battery inside the car has two small cells connected directly to the power jack. I opened up the remote, and confirmed that it has some sort of overcharge protection circuitry. The cells are about as wide as a AA battery, but only about 1/3 as long. At this point, I can try to find an exact replacement, or try another solution. I doubt that a supercap would hold enough charge to be practical? I have an LED flashlight that has to be cranked for about a minute to fully charge it (it stays nice a bright for about 3 minutes or so). The manufacturer also recommends charging it once a month to keep the battery in good shape. Vitaliy -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist