Well, the first UART I was associated with would be the mechanical stuff in the teleprinters. Later, after they "invented computers", I build myself a "serial to parallel converter" (from TTL) to make my TV Typewriter work with a modem. Subsequently, I was at a hamfest (swapmeet) and a guy had some 40-pin parts which he described as apparently the same thing. My eyes grew wide and I purchased one of them, took it home, replaced my board with that...It was a TMS6011 if I recall correctly, later discovering the more "standard" AY-5-1013 from General Instruments. So, these seem to have been the "first" UARTs. And it never seemed strange to me that 0V was considered the "active" state. Not just because "mark" was "current" and all that, but I had gotten used to CS# being low active, MCLR# being low active, and so on. It just seemed normal at the time. Keep in mind that the TTL interface was never intended to relate electrically to the +/- 12V one. That was the converter's job, period. This apparent "UART over TTL" idea really was just the result of some folks who saw a conversion shortcut they could make using a diode and a resistor. Barry -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist