I'm on another mailing list with some network types who regularly have to test various devices with several lengths of CAT5 cable... Seems like the common way to do this is just to have premeasured cat5 terminated both ends to the bench. Unfortunately, this is a *lot* of cable, and takes up a lot of room. Somebody today asked about how to build a simulator since they are regularly testing dozens units at a time on 100m cable lengths... i.e. kilometers of cable under the benches, which is getting to be a big pain. I found a couple of companies which sell ready-to-go units, for about $200US each. Realizing that a CAT5 cable is pretty complex in it's pair-to-pair interaction, this doesn't seem too bad, but I always wonder if it is possible to build something which simulates most of the effects for quite a bit less. So, what I'm wondering is: Is there a schematic floating around which does a good job of approximating the effects of a certain length of CAT5 cable including pair-to-pair crosstalk and the like? Including things like when the CAT5 is used in unbalanced mode, etc? -forrest -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist