> Can anyone give me the correct name to look for? I'm trying to > find the specs for those last-100m-or-so outdoor phone cables, > which are flat, single pair, but with a center support wire. > They have a very tough (black) plastic (very difficult to make knots). Assuming you are talking about overhead phone service -- I've always known them as "drop cable" (since they provide the drop from the telephone pole to the premises). It comes in both 1 pair and 2 pair versions with or without the carrier wire. The conductors, particularly in the version without a carrier wire, are steel. About 20-22 gauge. I tried "steel wire drop cable" in Google and got a number of hits that seemed promising. If underground service, I believe standard UTP is used. It used to be category 3 for phone service but it is likely to be cat 5 now (just due to economy of scale). > I'm particularly interested in velocity factor (my ADSL is failing, > and the phone techs can't seem to locate the fault - or they don't > want to). Could be both! (Incompetant & lazy are not mutually exclusive.) Lee Jones -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist