Hello guys... Can anyone give me the correct name to look for? I'm trying to find the specs for those last-100m-or-so outdoor phone cables, which are flat, single pair, but with a center support wire. They have a very tough (black) plastic (very difficult to make knots). I'm particularly interested in velocity factor (my ADSL is failing, and the phone techs can't seem to locate the fault - or they don't want to). I seem to miss the correct terms to guide google. It doesn't help that phone cables are used for everything nowadays. John -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist