solarwind wrote: > Hey, what exactly are "counterfeit" parts and how do you know which > ones are counterfeit and which ones are not? > "Counterfeit" basically refers to parts which the manufacturer didn't build/test/sell through their normal channels. Sometimes they are ones tested as defective and not properly scrapped (aka somebody took them from the garbage can). Sometimes they're a relabeled part (take a low-quality, low cost part and relabel it as an expensive one). And sometimes they are actually a knock-off manufactured in some fab somewhere where the parts are manufactured under less than quality conditions. In this case, I had to send parts to the manufacturer - although the very high failure rate was a good indicator. RAM chips are notorious along with transistors, etc. On the futurlec counterfeiting issue, google futurlec counterfeit , and read the threads .. pretty common stories, lots of ok responses and seemingly always 1-2 people saying that they got counterfeit goods. -forrest -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist