To summarize the current thought : -- SP thinks hydraulics would provide best P/W ratio -- Electric Motor afficiandos SP says power would be a function of Ampere turns. This is what I thought as well. SP also says Neodymium permanent magnets are used in high performance motors for model aircraft. This is my belief as well. Gus ==> So at the extreme, one might dump massive amounts of coolant on the motor, crank up the voltage to force more current flow and get the lowest resistance wire. Silver is only slightly better than copper and ( I was surprised ) gold is worse than silver or copper. Best Gus -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist