> The cable I bought from Radio Shack cost about $50 if I remember correctly. $24 in my shop, and be sure that I make a good profit on that. If you ever need quantity and $50 is the alternative we should have a good talk... But an FT232RL chip does all the hard work, and will look much nicer than a separate dongle, and you won't need to translate RS232 back to TTL. GBP 3 @ 100 : http://apple.clickandbuild.com/cnb/shop/ftdichip?op=catalogue-products-null&prodCategoryID=35&title=FT232R The drawback is of course that the customer must identify the correct virtual serial port. If you don't want that you must probably use an USB framework for a HID device. -- Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products docent Hogeschool van Utrecht: www.voti.nl/hvu -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist