Yes, it's about the paperwork. Because if it cost $30 to get a sample it would have the same effect as if it cost $7.50. I did have to do a P.O. to get a PIC32 starter kit, and in deciding which one to get, I just got both, because I could easily spend $50 just soliciting opinions. > You can't evaluate a processor chip by looking at it. The EE's build the boards, I write the firmware, and I won't see any real hardware for another month or two. If I can cobble something together right now, I have a jump on the project. I've also sampled pin-compatible upgrade versions of some PICs and had the technicians swap the parts out on a production board. That way I can state with confidence that changing over will work. I don't think the concept of "getting something to play with" plays all that well, but then again, I don't have to explain what I'm doing :) I ordered a DIP version of a USB PIC and proceeded to breadboard up something to try out. Sure enough the USB applications started being called for in the real products. It's not the first time this sort of thing has happened. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist