Philip Pemberton wrote: > Now I just need to rebuild the horrendous component libraries that > come with EAGLE and KiCAD... Yeah, the part libraries supplied with Eagle suck. The board footprints don't seem to follow consistant conventions, the silkscreen is often sloppy, and the schematic symbols appear optimized for the time it took to throw them together instead of for readability in the schematic. Long ago when I first started using Eagle I used parts from their library because making all my own seemed so overwhelming. That got me into trouble, so I haven't used the Cadsoft libraries since. It's really not that hard to make your own as it may seem when you are starting out. It also allows you to stick to conventions about parts that help with automating things later. For example, all my parts have their designators in the tDocu or bDocu layers in small text. These are used only in the board drawing and helps the manufacturer find a part regardless of if its designator made it to the silkscreen layer or not. (There is also a ULP for generating a parts index that gives board and schematic coordinates for every part, but that's a independent issue.) Another important part of my conventions help in automatic BOM generation. If you set all the right attributes, then you can go fully automated from a Eagle board to a Excel BOM with my ULPs and host programs. Take a look at the CSV_BOM and EAGLE_ATTR doc files after installing my Eagle tools release from http://www.embedinc.com/pic/dload.htm. ******************************************************************** Embed Inc, Littleton Massachusetts, http://www.embedinc.com/products (978) 742-9014. Gold level PIC consultants since 2000. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist