John Ferrell wrote: > WOW! Not only are we off topic here, we are in the wrong forum. But then you replied, and in the same topic anyway. Duh. Note that I changed the tag to TECH and adjusted the subject description. > Since > we are already here I feel obligated to point out that Beavers are > not Eco friendly. Less than a mile from where I live is a Beaver dam > that has killed the environment with flooding. I seriously doubt that. It will have changed the environment, but very likely quite the opposite of killed it. There are probably as many species that are winners due to the change than loosers. In this part of the world, beavers and moose together alter aquatic-edge environments, opening up opportunities for more species than there would otherwise be. This diversity of habitats and species makes for a more healthy and robust environment, not a "killed" one. As beaver ponds get created and eventually abandonded, they allow for a whole succession of species that may otherwise have a hard time finding a home in that area. These include both plants and animals. For example, the great blue heron (Ardea herodias) likes to nest in tops of dead trees in standing water. Those are quite rare except when beavers flood a area. Up to about the mid 1990s there was no evidence of beavers here in Groton MA. Now I can probably show you nearly a dozen beaver dams in the area. There are at least 3 new heron rookeries I can think of off the top of my head, and probably another couple if I mentally checked off all the conservation parcels (Groton has about 35% of its land area in conservation. That by itself is unusual. What makes it really amazing is that this is not due to a single large state forest or whatever, but lots of individual parcels 100 acres or less. There are a few larger parcels, but several tens of little ones, quite a few now abutting forming continuous protected corridors.) Herons are only one easily visible species and don't mean much by themselves. However, the same effect is happening accross many more less obvious species. Humans may not like beavers because of the flooding they cause. Certainly they can cause economic damage. However, that doesn't make them ecologically bad, and they aren't if you look at the ecosystem as a whole. > The natural population > has been replaced by swamp creatures. You mean the previous natural population. The swamp creatures are natural too. > A woods filled with dead trees is pretty ugly. To a human perhaps. Did you ask all the other creatures? I didn't think so. I think a great blue heron would have a very different answer. And so would various insects, woodpeckers, etc, etc. You have no right to judge a whole ecosystem from just your narrow human perspective. > The beavers are protected, but it is not difficult to > find someone who likes to play with things that "go Bang" to > dismantle the dam. Actually it's been shown that doesn't work well. Beaver dams are very resiliant structures, and the beavers generally fix them quickly. Your arrogance of thinking that beavers are more damaging to the ecosystem than a bunch of yahoos with explosives is just astounding. ******************************************************************** Embed Inc, Littleton Massachusetts, http://www.embedinc.com/products (978) 742-9014. Gold level PIC consultants since 2000. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist