:: Supposedly they did a bit of research (rather than paint them :: different colours :: or add fins) to find the reason for low sales, and thus re- :: engineered the doors :: to go *thud* rather than *ting* by adding a few braces here & :: there. Sales went :: up, they were no longer 'jap crap'. Hear the quality! Actually DWtv's motoring program had a visit to the Audi workshop in Germany where there is a department consisting of 3 people whose job it is to make sure the top of the range vehicles not only have no squeaks or noise, but that things like doors internal and external shut correctly and with the correctly specified clunk or klunk. Colin -- cdb, colin@btech-online.co.uk on 19/08/2009 Web presence: www.btech-online.co.uk Hosted by: www.1and1.co.uk/?k_id=7988359 -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist