Richard Prosser wrote: >> My local library has pulped all the electronics books, and the Central >> Library no longer allows access to the magazine collection... :( >> > One would wonder why they bother to retain it then. The library or the magazine collection? There are a couple of good things about the library system itself. Access to BSI standards free-of-charge is good when you're meddling around creating CAD libraries -- if memory serves, I grabbed a couple of schematic symbol standards from their site to use as a baseline for my Kicad and EAGLE libraries. Which still aren't done. Woo. (Though to be fair, the EAGLE symbols are pretty good, it's the PCB footprints that are b0rken) If I'm being honest though... my university's ScienceDirect and ACM Digital Library subscriptions have been far more useful... As for the collection itself... I seem to recall you can still get copies of individual articles for a fiver a go (there's a page limit but I can't remember what it is), but there's no refund if for some reason they either can't find it or can't copy it (which seems to be about 90% of the time). Takes about three weeks to do it, too. Also, they *do* have every Wireless World from 1983 onwards, but again none of them are catalogued to TOC level, so unless you've got an actual reference to an article (including title, author, issue, year and page number), you're up the creek. Now, their catalogue software.. that's a different kettle of fish. It's an ancient version of TalisPrism that appears to date back to the early 1990s, and is WELL overdue for replacement. Here's a lovely example... Search for "Author: Horowitz, Paul"... zero results Try again... "Author: Horowitz Paul"... zero results And again... "Author: Horowitz P"... zero results One last go: "Author: HOROWITZ, P"... one result, "Art of Electronics, The; Horowitz P., and Hill, W." Well, that sounds like it... let's expand that and find out some more about it... "SHELFMARK: 621.38 UNKNOWN SECTION NO COPIES AVAILABLE" Or if you're playing with the amber-screen terminals at the Central Library: "FURTHER INFORMATION NOT AVAILABLE AT THIS TIME" Or the best one: SEGMENTATION FAULT. TASK TERMINATED. >>> * Yep. Dies and drops you to a command prompt. At this point you have to get the library staff to restart the system. This involves a phone call to the council offices, and usually takes about 15 minutes. If there aren't any other (working or not-in-use) terminals left... um... well, I hope you've got something to read while you wait. How about something else. Let's see if there's anything else interesting in that shelfmark (sometimes it's fun to browse). Search: "Shelfmark: 621.38" gets 41 results. (this is "Electronics") Search: "Shelfmark: 621.382" gets 93 results. None of which were in the first search. (this is either ham radio or data transmission technologies) So you basically have to be more specific, to be less specific... It doesn't understand wildcards, so you can't just do "Shelfmark: 621.38*". That gets you a "Security Alert: Invalid SQL detected. This has been logged." warning on the website, or zero results on the terminals. The infernal contraption does word-stemming on author queries, so if you enter "Graf, R" as an author search, it'll do an OR search and give you such delights as "Grafton, Sue" and "Richards, Steven". The fun part? You can't actually make it do an AND search without serious effort. For bonus points, there are Bob Pease books (actually different copies of the same book) listed under "Pease, Bob", "Pease, Robert" and "Pease, R". Consistency? What's that, then? Lastly, the real clincher... The search times out after a couple of minutes (seems to be about two). So you get half-way through the search results and.... SEARCH HAS TIMED OUT. Please restart your search. It's usually easier to get a shelfmark chart from the librarian, scribble down the shelf codes and go look on the shelf... -- Phil. piclist@philpem.me.uk http://www.philpem.me.uk/ -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist