I just bought some carbide bits from ebay. They're not too expensive (I think) http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150350480017&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOIBSA:CA:1123. The bits are 1/32" with 1/8" shank. Fit perfectly in my Dremel. I'm going to make a very simple drill press like this: http://www.instructables.com/id/PCB-Drill-Press-Using-Salvaged-Door-Hinges/ using a few pieces of scrap wood and door hinges (I'm going to look for the ones which don't wiggle around). I calculated the amount of horizontal movement for the bit. For a 1" vertical motion, the net max horizontal movement for the bit is around 1 mm. Of course, the PCB is very thin, and vertical movement a lot less than 1" is required - resulting in very very small horizontal movement for the drill bit. Therefore, this design seems to be effective for my purpose. I hope this works out. Note: my Dremel has a top speed of around 30 000 RPM - should do the trick nicely. Also, I'm going to buy the thinner 1/32" FR4 copper board (as opposed to the 1/16" FR4 copper board that I have now). Easier to cut, easier to drill, more flexible and cheaper. I wonder why paper phenolic boards are so hard to come by these days... I bet they're easier to drill and much less of a hassle for hobbyists. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist