I recall some talk about short lifetime of some white LEDs but couldn't dig it out of the archive. Now that it's happened to me, suddenly I'm interested :) I've got some white T1 LEDs from here: http://www.led-center.com/led/new/white03.htm part number WL3-W15-2500. At rated maximum of 30 mA they seem to last about 1000 hours at room temperature. At 20 mA they last a little longer. Then they get dim, about 5% of the new brightness. The color stays about the same. So I assume the phosphor is OK, it's the blue LED that has weakened. I've never seen this happen with blue LEDs. Maybe the white phosphor pollutes the LED? I haven't had this problem with "name brand" white LEDs. Anyone see this happen before? Cheerful regards, Bob -- http://www.fastmail.fm - The way an email service should be -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist