You say you're making about 100 of these. You allocated: up to $5 / pic $25 for tools The PIC you want will be quite a bit cheaper than $5, so you can put some of the extra $ into your tools, including buying a non-3.3V only programmer. (Maybe a PICKIT2???). -- Bob Ammerman -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist