A couple of years ago I posted a link on this list, to a small air powered turbine generator that I built: http://www.geocities.com/plpeter2006/piclist-airgen.html Someone meanwhile patented such a thing, obviously after the date of my having built the device: http://www.thelivingmoon.com/41pegasus/33roberts_files/Air_Generator_10-136063.html How exactly one can patent something that has been used for ages in the mining and aerospace industries at least, even disregarding efficiency issues and so on, is jus beyond my comprehension. I found the patent while looking for my own page on google. Peter -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist