One place Forth-like concepts survive today is in PostScript. I think that works because all the benefits of Forth are still there, but humans don't write PostScript ... I did manually write some PostScript once to support a reasonably compact image file format in EPS (encapsulated PostScript). ... AFAIR Don Lancaster has long been an enthusiastic promoter of the benefits of manually writrten Postscript. By your analysis that makes you and Don less than, or more, than human :-). Russell -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist