solarwind wrote: > The most annoying thing about placing LEDs on your breadboard for pin > status indication is that you need a resistor to go along with it. Oh gimme a break. Adding a single resistor to a board is both trivially easy and cheap. > Why don't they just build the resistor right into the LED > so it makes everyone's life easier? Everyone's? Are you sure? Did you ask everyone? I don't remember you asking me. For someone that is early in learning electronics it is a good idea to start out assuming things are as they are for a reason, and if it doesn't appear to make sense at first glance that this is probably because you don't understand the reason rather than everyone else missed something. LEDs are made with different processes than resistors. Integrating a resistor in a LED probably costs more than for you to put a separate resistor on your board. Then the market for such a LED would be more limited. Now you have to drive it with a specific voltage to get full brightness. Without a resistor you can chose the external resistance so that the same LED can be used in 3.3V circuits, 5V circuits, or others. You don't always want to drive a LED at its full rated current. Most ordinary LEDs are rated for 20mA continuous current to get full brightness. Today's LEDs are bright enough that I often run them at 10mA or even 5mA depending on other particulars of the product. To cater to this and the variations in drive voltage, a manufacturer would have to have variants of the same LED with different resistors. This would drop the volume and therefore raise the price even more per unique part. Sometimes LEDs aren't driven with series resistors at all. The driving circuit can already be a current source and you don't want a resistor in series. > Do such products exist? Actually they do because in some niches they can make sense. Go look around and you will find the selection far more limited than for bare LEDs, and the price much higher. ******************************************************************** Embed Inc, Littleton Massachusetts, http://www.embedinc.com/products (978) 742-9014. Gold level PIC consultants since 2000. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist