I learnt to design PCBs at uni using altium 2004. I have grown used to it's workflow and quirks and quite like it. However I would now like to be able to design PCBs for my own hobbyist purposes on my own machines. Altium is utterly unaffordable for hobbyist use (and I don't want to pirate) so I'm trying to decide what I should move to. Ideally free (prefferablly in both senses) but cheap may be acceptable. Eagle seems to be quite popular on here but the board size limits on all but the most expensive edition seem pretty low. Also what I have heard of thier ways of dealing with piracy or suspected piracy concern me. i've looked at kicad but not been impressed by what i've seen, it doesn't seem to be able to make schematics and PCB files self contained (that is changing a library should not change a schematic or PCB unless I explicitly tell it too) and it's handling of polygon fills is awful. Any suggestions? -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist