True. To be honest I didn't really read through those pages thoroughly, I just found them through a quick google search on computer engineering salaries. I suppose starting salaries also depend on what company you get hired for, if you're specialized in some "niche" where there aren't many people with your talents, your portfolio, references, et cetera. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist