>80k starting salary? Who told you that? Even in the best job markets >no EE/CE starts out at 80k unless (possibly) they have a PhD. Check out these: http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos027.htm http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos267.htm -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist