>So yes there is a alternative or two, but only for small values >of "alternative". Actually the only one I can think of off the >top of my head that supposedly is more than a toy is XCSB. Well this does seem to be a reasonably comprehensive set of alternative tools. http://www.mikroe.com/en/compilers/ At least two more languages than Microchip provides ... There are other providers of basic for PICs, in various forms as well. I haven't had a chance to 'play' with any of these alternative languages, so cannot comment on the quality of any of them. I had the impression that JAL is a reasonably mature item as well, even though you seem to write it off. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist