Can I just point out that the argument over external gas heating of the water vs. internal electric heating isn't an argument about the merits of top loaders vs. front loaders. Our old front loader (was over 12 years old when it finally died due to multiple organ failure last year) had both hot and cold water inlets, hence used gas heated water. It's more an argument between older machines and modern ones - it's just that presumably in the US top loaders are all old tech and front loaders are new tech (wouldn't really know about top loaders in the UK - the only ones you see are ancient ones at campsites etc.) Certainly front loaders here all used to have both hot and cold inlets, but ISTR there was something with the new machine commenting about a cold only inlet being more efficient and washing better. The new machine also uses less water than the old one. Of course it's also worth pointing out that the original article is in a UK paper, so the context is that it's far better than the front loaders we currently have - we live in a country where some parts regularly get problems with water supply in the summer. Chris -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist