You may want to look at http://www.qwikandlow.com/ where the author discusses using a pair of 18LF series devices. In the downloadable book he appears to use a 32kHz crystal for a clock using the standard timers. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist