Vitaliy wrote: > You may be right... but personally, I think it's more fun to spend my > time and resources on something that would be useful to myself or > other people. All good EEs I've ever met tinkered with electronics from at least late grade school on. This is a necessary step in becomming a good engineer. Conversely, for those people doing that *is* fun. I remember a number of "pointless" and "dumb" experiments I tried with electronics, often ending up with fried parts but always learning something and ending with the desire to try new things and learn more. I think around freshman year in high school I thought of the idea of a regulated power supply, but couldn't quite come up with the right concept. I never did create a regulated power supply in high school, but having thought about them made it instantly obvious when exposed to them for real in college. Others that hadn't gone thru that process seemed to struggle with that and anything else there were supposed to design. Another example was I often tried to make ways to boost a audio signal, even at a preamp level. I could get high gain, but things would often oscillate, and even when they didn't the result didn't sound good. Even though most of my audio amplifiers in high school were failures, I learned a lot and did enjoy trying to make them. Eventually I learned about things like negative feedback and power supply decoupling. Those instantly made sense because I had experience with the symptoms of not taking them into account, despite not knowing that at the time. When we had to do something with audio in a college EE lab and we got "motor boating", I right away suspected unintended feedback thru the power supply, which turned out to be right. Others just sat there stumped while our group got the thing working because I had been there and done that before. It turns out we were supposed to be stumped and learn about power supply decoupling, and the TA came around and told us to keep our mouth shut when we proudly told him what we found and how we got it working. He did quietly give us extra credit though. ******************************************************************** Embed Inc, Littleton Massachusetts, http://www.embedinc.com/products (978) 742-9014. Gold level PIC consultants since 2000. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist