Must be time for standard question number 16.3.4(a) again :-). What is the cheapest sensibly accessible and usable microcontroler around? That needs qualifying. - Aim is ability to do at least "what if" investigations on a modest budget, even if final development work was done 'elsewhere' - Ideally will operate from say 2V - 5.5V (so otherwise rather nice looking 5V only ST7FOXxxx a non starter) - Starts and stays running well in real world (ie good POR and anti-brownout. Maybe watchdog). - Operates or able to operate on internal oscillator. - Has some I/O ( :-) ). (2 just maybe, 4 better, 6 good, more nice) - Timer a welcome bonus (few wouldn't have) - Interupt(s) a welcome bonus (most have) - ADC a most welcome bonus - Comparator a bonus. - PWM a bonus. - Non utterly arcane instruction set a bonus (eg F8 need not apply ;-) ). - Flash versions for development or even windowed eprom OK - if production parts are OTP. Mask for production if it must be. Die & COB in due course if it got the cost down. - Available in modest volumes (ie you can buy development quantities. - Modest cost development tools available (ie assembler available, can be programmed easily enough or basic programmer available). The PIC 10F2xx is about as good as I can find so far. 10F200 not much over $US0.30 in thousands before you start haggling. 4 I/O. Timer. Comparator. PIC16F54 is not much dearer. Timer. No comparator. Substantially more I/O. Holtek may yet do far better. I'm just starting to dance the dance of finding out. There is a world (I'm told) of arcane 4 bit creations 'out there' - but generally development access is not easy. Other suggestions most welcome. Under $US0.30 in thousands to 10,000 to ... possible OK. 25 cents getting good. Anything that can achieve $US0.20 in 100,000+ would be very nice At that price with say 6 I/O I could probably even tolerate no timer, no interupts, no ... . And, odds are, almost anything will have these. Thoughts? Russell -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist