One more small detail sw: All piclist postings are archived on websites, half of which serve ads on those pages, not sharing the revenue with you, and the best way to find them is Google, which is a commercial search engine that also serves ads on each search page, *and* is one of the archive sites (on google groups). hope this helps, Peter -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist