This has been a very interesting thread. I think nearly all of the observations are valid. They differ mainly because of the different circumstances and experiences of those who choose to post rather than lurk! Most of us have encountered the extremes of the "educated" guys. The fellow with nearly no education that seems to succeed without trying and the one who has all the credentials but has so far been a liability where ever he goes. Most of the time credentials get you the opportunities but your own intellect and social skills bring you success. John Ferrell W8CCW "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -- Edmund Burke ...."The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." MARGARET THATCHER http://DixieNC.US -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist