> The main problem is people simply don't want old stuff, whether it > works or not isn't relevant > > "Why are you throwing that out, it still works." > "Because it's old and I wanted a new one!" Tony, agree with all your other points re repairs. Around here you don't see the old-style electrical shops, like you used to, for small appliance repairs. And they'd sell electrical items too. I think it's simply uneconomic for a sole trader to specialise (or generalise ?) like that now. All the ones I can think of near here are primarily computer shops who do repairs as well. Still just as seedy and untidy as the old places mind you ;-) As for throwouts, it's a buyer's market for second-hand. Looking around a couple of weeks ago for a cheapie back-up PC. Spoiled absolutely rotten for choice. It's no wonder that they get tossed or given away considering the average weekly wage. I paid basically peanuts for a better PC than I needed What I find with a lot of people is that they don't really make their PC work, or do anything useful apart from surfing or playing games or videos. I have basic PCs that will do all that, and they certainly aren't expensive or new. I suspect PCs are still a mystery to most people and they have no idea how they do what they do and how to get the best from them. So when something new comes along that they think their old one can't do, out it goes IMO it's always been about gadgets and entertainment I have a neighbour who very much looked down his nose at me and gave me his VCR and a box of tapes because they'd got used to watching their projector TV (which BTW I thought was just horrible). The $500 bulb blew two months ago and so they've been watching a 14" portable. TS. TS indeed -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist