>> MA, am I correct in assuming that you are joking? :-) I doubt it. I've certainly met less extreme versions; one of the more talented engineers I hired during my days as a manager became somewhat famous for announcing to the net at large how he'd drop acid to help him solve some of the more difficult problems he'd encounter... Intelligence, talent, social skills, and interpersonal skills are all multi-dimensional and very orthogonal things to try to measure. It's not at all difficult to be very good at something and still have very poor skills in some other area. There was even a recent study/theory correlating science and engineering skills with autism and related disorders. ( http://spectrum.ieee.org/oct06/4665/2 ) Solarwind, on the other hand, is destined to live under a bridge and hit travelers up for money. I don't think I've ever seen so many troll-like comments (and entire discussion topics) come from one user- id; the real trolls generally use multiple ids to make it less obvious that all the contentious comments are coming from the same person. :-) BillW -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist