On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 8:44 AM, solarwind wrote: > If you install an update manager like shaman, you don't even need to run > pacman -Syu. And I've never had the problem of Arch Linux breaking when > upgrading a large number of packages. In my opinion, it's the most > stable distro out there. So I just tried Arch yesterday. I want to try out some small installations using LXDE and XFCE (4.60 was just out). I tried them on a minimum Ubuntu 8.10 installation and it did not work well even though they both work fine with a normal Ubuntu 8.10 installation. It is said that minimum Arch installation works fine with LXDE and XFCE. The basic Arch installation using the USB flash disk image is fast as your blog says. Basica setup is fine with editing a few configuration files with nano. Installation of X is not difficult even though the wiki forgot to tell me to install the input driver (last time it is not necessary) so I got no mouse and keyboard initially and had to hit the power off button (no reset button with this PC). After the initial setup, I got LXDE and XFCE basically working. Still I got no sound. Then I decided to try out Gnome first to see if I am missing something and used Shaman. Shaman is far away from the smoothness of Synaptic. Long way to go. Gnome is basically working as well. But still no sound. Then I installed pulseaudio to help to solve the sound problem. Unfortunate it is broken: libcap updates broke pulseaudio. http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=69750 So I guess the first day with Arch is not so good. Worse than last times I tried it back in 2007 (0.8 through 2007.08). The good thing is that it really asks you to go deeper in the configuration. So I get better understanding of how things work (LXDE is similar, XFCE is now not small). Anyway, I will try harder to get sound working first (the device is listed, the mixer is fine, there is just no sound from any applications). Maybe I need to go deeper into alsa and fix pulseaudio. And iBus is not working either. That is another thing needs to be fixed. Xiaofan -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist