I am not sure if this is an EE topic. I have read that high end newer appliances ( washers and dryers mostly ) have motors and controllers that are quite useful for hackers/ experimenters. I am wondering what brands of appliances are using the higher quality motors and where one might find such items in a used condition. I don't mind repairing them. MA WFT Electronics Denver, CO 720 222 1309 " dent the UNIVERSE " All ideas, text, drawings and audio , that are originated by WFT Electronics ( and it's principals ), that are included with this signature text are to be deemed to be released to the public domain as of the date of this communication . -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist