:: I don't know. It depends on whatever size A4 is. According to Open Office and my printer manual and information on the internet, plus measuring the a sheet in front of me - 210mm wide x 297 mm high. Just divide that by 25.4 to return to inches approximately. More to the point - I have some equipment manuals in the form of a massive binder from the US which not only insists on having 3 rings, they aren't in the right place for non US'ers - do you know how difficult it is to punch holes on A4 paper to fit in a US binder with a non US paper hole puncherator? Colin -- cdb, colin@btech-online.co.uk on 30/03/2009 Web presence: www.btech-online.co.uk Hosted by: www.1and1.co.uk/?k_id=7988359 -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist