:: have also found another tool Have you looked up the protoyping PCB company that produces a special presoldered board for SMD components? As their advert says a 5 year old who can use a soldering iron can use the board. I'm trying to think of their name - schtick or something - they're in the US. Colin -- cdb, colin@btech-online.co.uk on 27/03/2009 Web presence: www.btech-online.co.uk Hosted by: www.1and1.co.uk/?k_id=7988359 -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist