> Keep in mind this PIC has lot of bad history and most people > deliberately avoid it So far this is the only problem. Which is annoying enough, no doubt, but otherwise the 1320 seems to work OK > Then using a separate Vref is a further small subset If it proves to be the case that I'm right, I'm left wondering what tests Microchip actually do on new silicon. Some bugs are picked up (by whom ?) and put in errata sheets, yet other confirmed bugs aren't. I know you've mentioned this previously My discussions with Microchip Support are ongoing. We've covered all the obvious. Pin setting, voltage measurements etc. I've re-read the datasheet for any "Don't do this if ...." type of thing but nothing jumps out. Hopefully it will be passed to an engineer to have a look at on a real chip Or if anyone here feels keen enough to try and make Vref+ work on a 1320 they might have lying around ...... If I'm wrong, that's fine. Embarrassing perhaps, but I'll get over it -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist