Bob Blick wrote:
>> And why not? I distinctly remember the times when people were either
>> banned
>> or moderated in the past, because James (or another admin) would announce
>> the action that was taken, on-list.
>
> First off, you didn't see every action James ever took, and besides,
> whatever James did was what James did. You can't pick and choose. Now
> you must settle for the way the current admins do things. And work with
> us and the way we do things, rather than fighting with us every chance
> you get.

First off, the words in the subject line are yours, not mine. I did not 
agree with James on a lot of things, and was not afraid to tell him when I 
thought that what he was doing, was wrong. In the end, we got along despite 
our differences, because he was tolerant of criticism and never pulled rank 
("I'm an admin, so you should listed to what I say").

Second off, I'm not fighting with the admins, only with your singular vision 
of what the PICList should become.


>> Noise in response to what? If someone committs an indecent act in a
>> public
>> space, isn't he the one to blame for the disturbance? Tolerance is a good
>> thing, but it has its limits.
>
> Jan-Erik and Jinx posted emails with bad words to the list. Want to know
> what happened? They got emails written to and about them by the admins.
> Transparent enough for you?

"Transparent" would mean the warnings and action notifications (so-and-so 
was banned/was put on moderation) get posted on-list. Why is that more 
difficult to do, than sending private emails to the parties involved?


>> > Maybe I should put them under moderation? Well, they've been warned :)
>>
>> Yes, Bob, put all of us old-timers under moderation. :)  What's the point
>> in
>> having a baton if you can't use it to occasionally wack someone on the
>> head -- right?
>
> I don't see what you are trying to achieve. You are trying to push the
> admins around, and it appears you haven't actually paid close enough
> attention to see what was happening this weekend.

I'm not pushing anyone around. My objective is simple and clear: I want you 
to stop telling me that my posts "are not welcome" or "forbidden" not 
because I'm breaking the rules, but simply because you feel that way. And I 
want you to stop doing it to other people.


> If you would stop being spring-loaded to the "outraged and offended"
> position, and maybe switch to decaf, you might notice that the admins
> are doing their job and you can do your job. Practice some tolerance
> yourself.

I don't get it -- what is it with people and assuming that I drink Cool-Aid 
and coffee? :)  Most of the time, I drink tea. Sometimes even soothing 
herbal teas. So, I'm, like, totally relaxed, dude...


> If you wish to continue a verbal assault, email it to
> piclist-owner@mit.edu but don't clutter the Piclist with it.

No thanks, Bob. If you wish to have a private email exchange, you should 
send me a private message. As I've told you before, for as long as you 
continue pushing your personal agenda on-list, I will continue to challenge 
you, on-list.

Cheerful regards,

Vitaliy 

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