Charles Craft wrote: > Not sure how you would prove it one way or the other but do you > always store PICs loose in plastic drawers like the ones in the > picture? > > Are the chips that robust or do you always make sure to lick your > finger, touch a good ground and then pull the chip out of the tray? I've got about 1000 small parts drawers like those for all kinds of parts, not just PICs. Some have anti-static black foam or chip carriers in them, but mostly everything just gets thrown into the drawers loosely. Keep in mind how static electricity works and how it damages ICs. There have to be two conductors at a significantly different potential with sufficient capacitance between them to store charge. Then two separate pins of the IC have to be connected each to one of the two charges. Then the resistance has to be so low that the inrush is so high as to blow out the protection diodes. Your body can be one of these conductors, but we have a concrete floor here so that rarely gets to meaningful levels. If the other side is just a IC pin, there isn't enough capacitance to cause enough current to do any damage. The inside of these drawers are good insulators. Most of the time the drawers just sit there for days on end. Dirt, humidity in the air, and the fact that the plastic isn't a perfect conductor means there isn't likely any significant voltage on the inside of a drawer when I reach in to get a IC. Even if there is, the total charge would have to be very small. To cause a problem, you'd pretty much have to deliberately rub the drawer against a cat or something, then charge yourself up somehow, then grab a PIC just right and touch it to the drawer just right. In practice I have never felt or seen the slightest hint of a zap when touching something in one of the drawers, and haven't noticed ICs dying as a result of being put in a drawer and taken out again. I do notice a zap in the winter when I take off a certain synthetic sweater and then touch my metal bookcase that sits on the concrete floor. That sweater is a much bigger danger, and I'm careful to discharge myself after handling it before touching anything else. Static protection isn't voodoo. Keep the laws of physics in mind instead of going by what "everyone says". ******************************************************************** Embed Inc, Littleton Massachusetts, http://www.embedinc.com/products (978) 742-9014. Gold level PIC consultants since 2000. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist