I have often had to measure and *prove* transistor batches to be fakes (in a way that would convince the dealer to take the batch back). Speed is usually not an issue, what they do is skimp on die size (smaller generic dies are faster) and on bonding (thermal and electrical). So there are 3 tests: Vcesat at reasonable beta, sustained power dissipation (mount on heatsink and bias to burn power to spec), and fast pulse test (50R collector resistor, drive with pulse geneator and look at slope with scope). Sometimes voltage is also an issue, test for leakage at Vceo using the circuit with the heatsink from above. Peter -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist