I currently use a PicKit2 (along with a couple of non-microchip ICD's), and am considering buying another one (or a PicKit3 more likely) since I really like the way it operates. Like it just works, on pretty much everything I've tried... 3.3V, 5V, ICD-powered, project-powered, etc. etc. etc.. If I'm having a problem with one of the other ICD's I grab the pickit and it just works. I occasionally on here will see people saying things like (paraphrasing), "I need to get another ICD2, and in the meantime I'm using the PicKit2", or similar remarks that indicate that there is something better about the ICD2, but from everything I read, and especially with the newer firmware loads in the PicKit, I sure can't figure out what it is. Did I miss something? -forrest -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist