>They are the only PC house that would force me to change my design rules What exactly did they want you to change? Afaict all cheap basic board = services have design rules that you have to follow. > They're still around, so the quality of their products and service must b= e = > acceptable at least to some people. > = I haven't personally had basic PCBs manufactured commercially though I = have looked into it (I found it a little too expensive for hobby stuff = and for stuff I do for the UNI the UNI have thier own PCB facility for = basic boards) Last I checked no other vendor i'm aware of in the EU came close on = price to olimex (though this may have changed with the recent fall of = the pound) . Ordering from outside the EU is a possibility but for small = orders (single panel or so) the customs handling fees (=A310 if it comes = through the post, a lot more if it comes by courior) would generally = make that a more expensive option (at least if the package gets charged = import VAT, some packages seem to slip through) -- = http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist