On Sat, 2009-01-03 at 18:17 -0500, Olin Lathrop wrote: > solarwind wrote: > > This is EXACTLY why people pirate stuff. People don't like to be > > treated like criminals. > > No that's merely a justification. People pirate stuff because they don't > want to pay. Often true, but not always true. As is often the case with this issue, things are not black and white, but MANY shades of grey. There are many cases where people are "pirates" because the content provider restricts actions that should be lawful, but are blocked due to overly restrictive copyright protection mechanisms (i.e. in many countries making a backup of a physical medium is 100% legal, yet blocked by DRM, meaning to backup you have to circumvent the DRM, which most consider pirate behaviour. Copying your own DVD for backup purposes is technically pirate behaviour according to most). Then there are situations where the consumer wants something, but it's not available, so they "pirate it", even though they were 100% willing to pay for it. This was true of the music industry before iTunes (people just wanted digital copies of songs, there were very few options outside the US until very recently). Even today most people want digital copies of TV shows. They're willing to pay for them, but in many jurisdictions there are no legal ways. So they "rip" their DVDs. Technically the industry considers them pirates. TTYL -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist