solarwind wrote: > And by telephone wire, do you guys mean the wire that you connect from > the wall socket to your phone? > No, the type in the wall. It's usually about 28GA and has 4 to 8 conductors, solid. You can get raw cable like this from most home improvement and/or hardware stores. I think walmart even has it. It's usually beige or grey. CAT5 cable would also work (the type for in-wall, which is solid, not the stranded for patch cables), but it is fairly heavily twisted. If you get real "phone" or CAT3 cable, it isn't as nearly tightly wound, so it is easier to work with. My main gripe is that the PVC insulation tends to melt easily when soldering, plus it tends to "shrink" away from the heat... that is, if you have a wire which is stripped to a certain length, and then you apply heat, the insulation actually ends up moving away from the heat source. I've been thinking of buying some teflon (PTFE) or similar high-temp wire just for this reason, but haven't really found a good source for smaller spools in assorted colors. -forrest -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist