At 10:00 AM 12/13/2008, Olin Lathrop wrote: >Xiaofan Chen wrote: > >>> Even for the more broad SMPS supply world > >>> actually designing an SMPS is becoming less and less necessary, in > >>> many cases > >>> just use the online tools to select which chip is best, and follow > >>> the reference design. > >> > >> For some level or performance, cost, efficiency, and board space > >> this is true, but not for all. > > > > Unfortunately the performance, cost, efficiency, and board space > > are often issues involved in my world. > >Exactly. It seems every power supply is different in the range of input >voltages, output voltage, amount of ripple tolerated, output current, >inefficiency tolerated, and of course the usual tradeoffs between cost, >board space, cooling requirements, standby power, etc, etc, etc. Then >startup is a whole other issue that off the shelf simple PWM chips are >usually bad at or tricky to make work right over a wide input voltage range. >Too many casual SMPS designers aren't even aware there are special issues >there. > >Anybody that thinks they don't really need to know about switching power >supplies to plunk one on the board from the app note doesn't belong there >and is headed for trouble. The guy who designed the original product for a >local startup company had this attitude. He grabbed a "simple switcher" >from National (great marketing, but their switchers aren't more or less >simple than others) and copied the circuit from some app note. Both the >inductor and FET were always hot, usually just about where you couldn't >touch them for more than a second, even though the whole unit only took >about 5W. I was told that when people pointed this out to him he would only >respond that the circuit was right out of the app note and it therefore >couldn't be wrong. He was fired and I was brought in. As an engineer who has been involved with switching power supplies for 35 years (they are very different now!) I can only agree. I spend as much time designing the SM regulators on a PowerPC based CPU board as I do in the entire PowerPC part, which is what I am doing right now. One thing that does annoy me somewhat is the lack of decent simulation models for many switchers. Linear Tech do a good job, but National, as an example, do a really lousy job. But I end up being conflicted because all too often the National part is much more economical but the lT Part has a good model. There is far more deep theory in SM power supply design than any other common aspect of modern electronics. I work on everything from 1V @ 1W or less, to 150kV at 100kW every day. So any applicant for a job in my group that says "oh switchers are simple" doesn't tend to last long! John -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist